Comments on: An Equation For a Church? http://jakerasmussen.com/2008/10/20/an-equation-for-a-church/ No perfect people allowed. Wed, 14 Sep 2011 05:40:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Jake Rasmussen http://jakerasmussen.com/2008/10/20/an-equation-for-a-church/#comment-2936 Jake Rasmussen Wed, 22 Oct 2008 03:22:08 +0000 http://jakerasmussen.com/?p=159#comment-2936 Man I appreciate your comments. And I do think you are right in comparing the quote-on-quote, body to the church. I think there is more to it. …this is messy in my head so I am going to spit it out and we can clean it up later… Although the body of Christ is, in fact, believers who follow Jesus yet then there is still the church. Is it two different things or not? In my mind, at first glance, I would say yes. Follow me here. The body of Christ is universal, meaning all believers // everywhere. Yet the church is a smaller segment of, just that. The body. So, yes they both can be the same thing yet different. Meaning…. the Revolution Church and Epic Church are indeed, churches, yet we are still part of the body of Christ. Follow me…. Ok, as I am typing this I am feeling silly trying to break this down. Sure… your equation can have a place on this blog. The “goal” might not be so much about growth at all. Numerically speaking, but in transformation. Bringing about Kingdom transformation here in our city. Maybe in the equations I have found which started my wheels spinning had the church and kingdom on the wrong side of the equals sign. Regardless of Epic Church ever reaches “x” amount of people the measure of her effectiveness is in transformation not addition of souls. But, I imagine that regardless of what equation you and I can come up with your heart and my heart desire to see our city a better place. To see marriages strengthened, divorce to go down, our jail systems to become less crowded with druggies, wife-beaters, rapist, and so forth. And that is only if the body of Christ, works together to fulfill our mission, to bring the Kingdom of God to earth and we see healthy churches birthed and strengthened. Or am I full of it? Man I appreciate your comments. And I do think you are right in comparing the quote-on-quote, body to the church. I think there is more to it.
…this is messy in my head so I am going to spit it out and we can clean it up later…
Although the body of Christ is, in fact, believers who follow Jesus yet then there is still the church. Is it two different things or not? In my mind, at first glance, I would say yes. Follow me here.
The body of Christ is universal, meaning all believers // everywhere. Yet the church is a smaller segment of, just that. The body. So, yes they both can be the same thing yet different. Meaning…. the Revolution Church and Epic Church are indeed, churches, yet we are still part of the body of Christ. Follow me….

Ok, as I am typing this I am feeling silly trying to break this down. Sure… your equation can have a place on this blog. The “goal” might not be so much about growth at all. Numerically speaking, but in transformation. Bringing about Kingdom transformation here in our city. Maybe in the equations I have found which started my wheels spinning had the church and kingdom on the wrong side of the equals sign. Regardless of Epic Church ever reaches “x” amount of people the measure of her effectiveness is in transformation not addition of souls.

But, I imagine that regardless of what equation you and I can come up with your heart and my heart desire to see our city a better place. To see marriages strengthened, divorce to go down, our jail systems to become less crowded with druggies, wife-beaters, rapist, and so forth. And that is only if the body of Christ, works together to fulfill our mission, to bring the Kingdom of God to earth and we see healthy churches birthed and strengthened.

Or am I full of it?

]]> By: josh reich http://jakerasmussen.com/2008/10/20/an-equation-for-a-church/#comment-2934 josh reich Mon, 20 Oct 2008 22:27:02 +0000 http://jakerasmussen.com/?p=159#comment-2934 jake, i would have to disagree with both of them. i would put it like this: body + mission = kingdom the body is the church. i have a hard time seeing the kingdom as serving the church but feel like it needs to be the other way around. the goal is kingdom growth, not church growth. just a thought. jake,

i would have to disagree with both of them. i would put it like this:

body + mission = kingdom

the body is the church. i have a hard time seeing the kingdom as serving the church but feel like it needs to be the other way around. the goal is kingdom growth, not church growth. just a thought.

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